Goin’ To The Candidate’s Debate
Laugh about it, shout about it, when you’ve got to choose
Any way you look at it you lose.
I recently attended my first all-candidates debate this week, and I think ol’ Rhymin’ Simon got that about right.
This was another political first for Al, to go with the campaign sign on my lawn. The meeting I attended was for candidates for Mayor of my fair city, held at the august London Club, of which I used to be a member. Actually six of us went at the invitation of a friend who is a member, which was handy, as none of us are any more.

Good turnout I think, as such things go, We were told there were more than a hundred Londoners in attendance, and looking around, that seemed accurate.
To be even more accurate, although this was an ‘all-candidates’ gathering, only three candidates for Mayor were there, and there are 11 on the ballot.
Whether this was because the LC only invited these three or because only these three decided to show up I cannot say, but I am grateful, as those three are the only candidates likely to get more than a handful of votes. With 11 candidates present it would have been a useless event.
There was a moderator whose job was to ask questions which had been submitted prior to the event, and to recognize those in the audience who wished to step to a microphone and ask a question on the spot. Each of the three candidates answered each question, with time given for a response if some other candidate mentioned them in their answer.
As good a format as one could get, I suppose. A friend and I had worked on some questions to submit ahead of time, and two or three of them did get answered. My friend complained after the event that none of the candidates actually answered the questions. I think that is what one should expect, but you all know what a cynic I am.
That being said, I did learn some things from the event, and to tell you about that, I will first introduce the three candidates in attendance.
– Josh Morgan, London’s incumbent mayor, finishing out his first term after serving on City Council for two terms prior to being elected mayor.
– Susan Stevenson, a councillor currently, who has decided after her one term on Council to challenge Morgan for the mayoral office.
– Kirsten Krose, who has not served in public office in London or anywhere else, so far as I know. She’s obviously the newcomer.
I had never heard any of these people speak before. Morgan and Stevenson get quoted in the press from time to time, but this event gave me a chance to hear what they had to say in response to questions. While they did not in fact generally answer them directly, the thing about listening to people’s answers to questions is that they give you some sense of the kind of person they are, what is important to them, and how they think.
That seems to me useful to know about a potential public office-holder.
So here is what I think I learned about each of them.
- Kirsten Krose
Ms. Krose spent more than a decade working in and around the Harper federal government in Ottawa. Not in an elected office, but as a bureaucrat and lobbyist. She moved back to London (where she was born) at some point, and in 2022 founded SWON Public Affairs, Inc. I would call it a lobbying and PR firm, Ms Krose might disagree.
To be fair to Ms Krose, she was the only one at the meeting who was not currently already in City government. That being said, every answer she gave to every question made it clear what she has been doing for her adult life. She sounded like a PR person in every instance, by which I mean, she strung together long, badly constructed sentences with very little substance.
If that were not enough, it turns out she held a fund-raising event for her mayoral campaign in Toronto. Really.
I guess she figured there is more money to be had there. Maybe true, but who wants a mayor who has been supported by people outside the city of which she is mayor? Not I.
I came away convinced Ms. Krose should not be in charge of any org that spends other people’s money, and that includes the City of London.
- Josh Morgan
Morgan is in his first term as Mayor, after serving two four-year terms on the City Council. He first came to London as a student at UWO, where he earned a BA in Econ and Poli Sci as well as an MA in Poli Sci. I believe he held some administrative post in the Poli Sci Dept at UWO after the MA, because I would see him walking the halls of my building talking on a cell phone. I do not know what that position was. (Econ and Pol Sci shared the fourth floor of my building back in the day.)
Readers of this blog will already know I have not been a fan of Morgan’s policies during his first term. His general approach to the biggest issues I think London faces – crime, open drug use and homelessness – are of the ‘harm reduction’ variety. That means that he seeks to reduce the harm done to the homeless and drug abusers, not the harm done by them.
That is a remarkably common approach to these issues here in Canada, and many citizens of this city support it. As do all the ‘activists and advocates’ who get their views into the media regularly.
So, I admit that my first chance to hear what Morgan had to say left me with a better impression of him than I thought I would leave the room with. He’s not a fool, he’s just wrong. He seems committed to continuing much the same policies if re-elected, and my view remains that those policies have led to a substantial deterioration of the quality of life in London. He said nothing to dissuade me from that view.
- Susan Stevenson
A ‘controversial’ councillor, if you read the usual media in London, she is finishing her first term as a Councillor, and the reason she gave for running for Mayor I found very interesting. She says that councillors are not given the information they need to make decisions in the interests of their constituents. Big decisions are made without any vote or discussion in Council, and they do not get to see a detailed version of the City’s budget before voting on it.
She said she found this unacceptable, and so decided she could not serve another term on a Council that operated in that manner. She’s running for Mayor so she can change the way the City is governed. [I add that Morgan had little to say in defense of the way Council currently operates.]
Beyond that, she pointed out repeatedly that London’s current homelessness and drug policies end up putting drug-users and the mentally unstable in buildings shared by low-income tenants, including seniors and families with children. This has led to terrible situations as the druggies and mentally ill tenants wreck their own units and terrorize their neighbours.
I have heard about this previously as a feature of many of the city-run and non-profit housing coops and shelters in the city, but Stevenson seems to be the only politician who is calling this unacceptable. Morgan agreed that ‘we made mistakes’ but Stevenson said ‘fine, but you don’t seem to be interested in changing the policies that led to those mistakes’.
I will add that Stevenson’s characterization of the way London is run jives with what I have heard previously; that the bureaucrats really run the city, and Council is little more than a rubber stamp.
That’s my take on those three candidates. Other observations from the 90 minute meeting.
One, it was said often that many of London’s current challenges are the result of provincial and federal policies. The province closed the mental hospitals down back in the 90s, and it has not expanded the local hospital system despite the growth in London’s population. Further, it is federally appointed judges who send people charged with crime back onto the street rather than holding them in custody, and who hand out minimal sentences to those convicted.
That is all true, and is not likely news to anyone, but the fact remains that the City is (or should be) obligated to do the best it can for its residents despite all that. It has not been doing that for some time, in my view.
Two, although ‘safety’ was discussed often, particularly with respect to the downtown core, there was no substantive discussion of the operation of London Police Service. What little I know about that subject, and what I see happen on the streets, particularly downtown, tells me there are major problems with LPS. Not with the front-line officers, but with the directives under which they operate. I don’t actually know how much influence the City Council and Mayor have over the operation of LPS, but London does have a Police Services Board. Two Councillors and the Mayor serve on that board, which suggests some oversight by Council. In any case, I would like a new Mayor and Council to take a hard look at staffing and policies at LPS, and I am sure Ms. Stevenson is more likely to do that than is Morgan.
As I noted at the outset, I feel like I got a (admittedly incomplete) look at the three candidates’ thinking, and the principles which guide that thinking. That was worth something, and nothing I learned about that at the meeting changed my intention to vote for Stevenson.
I will end this by going back to Rhymin’ Simon.
Sadly, I think Stevenson has little chance to defeat Morgan in the coming election, in large part for reasons I have stated previously. (Krose will come in a distant third.) Turnout will be very low again, and those who do bother to vote will not be a representative sample of Londoners. The folks who show up will be mostly from the chattering classes, a couple of whose members asked questions at the meeting. Actually, they made speeches rather than asked questions, one of them exhorting the crowd to ‘lose your bias’.
I add, finally that I am absolutely sure that the Councillor serving my ward will be re-elected. By a landslide.
So, while I am glad I went to the meeting, I expect that after the election we will get from our City government more of the same. Mostly from the same people.
Any way you look at it you lose, indeed.


















































































