Elon Musk, Herrenvolk, and Representative Democracy
I am a general fan of the stats blog of one Andrew Gelman of Columbia U, as regular readers know. However, I am a fan largely because of his exposure of really bad and sometimes fraudulent science. I would not look to him for wisdom on many other points. For example, his blog has included wayyyy too many posts about the Epstein files, and I believe it is because it allows him to disparage people he does not like. He seems to have a real antipathy towards economist Larry Summers, for one.
He also does not think much of Elon Musk, and I am no fan of Mr. DOGE, either. He is one of too many ego-inflated rich guys in the world today. However, just like DJT, not everything Musk does or says is evil or even wrong.
A recent post by Gelman which featured yet another shot at Mr. Musk seems to me just a bit much. And….it reminds me of an idea I used to torture my senior Political Economy students with, just to be mean. So, another post in two parts.
A. Elon Herrenvolk
Gelman teaches an advanced course in Political Science at Columbia with the intimidating course title:
Rationalizing the World: The Hopes and Disappointments of American Social Science, 1900 to the Present
Week 6 of the course is devoted to ‘Democracy and Totalitarianism’.
Go big or go home, eh? I expect it is a very interesting course. I’d love to sit in.
This course – at least week 6 of it – comes up in a post on his blog titled ‘Herrenvolk democracy and objections to ethnic political representation’
In the post he writes the following about week 6 of his course: ‘ In particular, we have several readings related to “herrenvolk democracy,” which is the term used for countries such as apartheid South Africa and the U.S. south that had democratic governance but with the vote restricted to members of the ruling ethnic group.’
OK, I had never heard of ‘herrenvolk democracy’, and it is clearly a German term and that is no coincidence. The online Merriam-Webster dictionary translates it from German into ‘master race’. Gelman’s post was triggered by Elon writing a comment on an X post in which he writes ‘I’m sure that’s about to happen any day now’ followed by a laughing emoji.
So, what is the post that Elon commented on in this way? Here is the entire post right from X. Gelman left much of this out, also not a coincidence, I think:
Will there ever be a day a scottish woman becomes leader of a Pakistani region and creates a video where she proudly in a thick Glasweigan accent surrounded by tartans and scottish stuff…announces she is the first Scottish mayor in Pakistan and it’s been long long overdue and she will overcome the tyranny of Pakistan only ever electing Pakistanis to represent them
?
why is the opposite happening here not considered as absurd?
This X post was by someone known as chatnoir of whom I know nothing, and the context is the following. In 2023, Scotland’s Prime Minister became one Humza Yousaf, a Muslim of Pakistani heritage. He did not last very long, being replaced by one John Swinney in May of 2024. I know nothing of Scottish politics, so I don’t know what happened to end Yousaf’s time in office. (Swinney, by the way, looks to me like he could be the younger brother of Patrick Stewart, one of my favourite actors. Make it so, Jean-Luc.)
So, chatnoir writes the post above regarding Mr. Yousaf, Musk responds with ‘I’m sure that’s about to happen now’ and Gelman writes this about it:
I can’t be sure, but I think that in the above post, Musk is expressing support for a sort of politics of ethnic separation, where Pakistan is populated by ethnically Pakistani people with Pakistani accents and wearing Pakistani clothing and Scotland is populated by ethnically Scottish people with Scottish accents and wearing Scottish clothing.
Yea, Gelman ‘can’t be sure’, but the entire post, which you can read here, sure reads like he is quite sure about this. He spends a lot of energy picking this attributed-to-Musk ‘herrenvolk’ viewpoint apart. That Musk is from South Africa gets mentioned, naturally.
However, one of the other things I love about Gelman’s blog is the diversity of people who read it and write comments. One such commenter, going by the moniker of Padang Itik (that may or may not be his/her name) goes after Gelman on this particular post, and does not let up. He writes many things in a back and forth with Gelman, but here is his opening sentence:
I don’t think it’s right to say that Musk’s post indicates that he’s an advocate for apartheid, herrenvolk democracy, or ethnic separation. His response to the idea of a Scottish mayor in Pakistan is not “God forbid” or “hope not,” but instead is a sarcastic implication that it would never happen.
Exactly, Padang. Musk, as well as chatnoir’s original post, is making a point about the asymmetry of attitudes toward immigrants from culturally alien places in Scotland versus Pakistan. I think it was Mark Steyn (I’m sure Gelman would dislike him, too) who got lots of shit for saying something along the lines of ‘If you want to compare country’s cultures, compare the number of Egyptians in Sweden with the number of Swedes in Egypt’.
Gelman is willing to attribute bad motives to people he does not like, and he is hardly unique in that, but it is disappointing in someone who is by any measure a serious academic. And, in the 21st century, there is no motivation one can attribute that is badder than racism.
Still, I am heartened by Padang’s push-back, which did end up in Gelman backing off a fair bit in the end.
B. Democratic Representation
Now, on to some fun on the topic of representation in democracies. The fundamental idea that drives this form of government is that groups of people in a democracy vote for representatives to a national legislative body (Congress, Parliament) to represent their interests in that body, which is in turn tasked with writing and passing legislation. This is a difficult job, as there are many different people with many different viewpoints in any Congressional district or Parliamentary riding. Still, that’s the job.
That job has, in my view (and that of others, too) been seriously perverted in modern times. In the US gerrymandering has been used so that most Congressional districts are sure wins for the candidate from a particular party. In Canada, riding candidates for most parties must be approved by the Party leader, guaranteeing that they will represent the Leader who chose them rather than the people in their riding.
That is all very sad, but let us ignore that for a moment and ask the following question:
Why are ridings and districts defined geographically?
Presumably the idea is that people in a given area will in fact share a lot of ideas and interests, but not all, for sure. No system of representation will do this perfectly, there will always be a diversity of views in any district, however you define it. That’s why we have elections.
Given that, I had a proposal (let’s call it Al’s Great Big Idea – AGBI) for a different means of definition. Let’s define a riding/district by birth dates. Each riding would consist of every person born between two consecutive dates, with those dates being set such that each ‘age-riding’ contained about the same number of constituents. This can easily be done using census data. It would not be exact, but current geographic ridings in Canada vary considerably in the number of people they hold. If any single date contained too many people (unlikely), you could then further divide those folks up alphabetically by the letter that begins their last name. Or, use SINs.
The ridings at the top of the age distribution would eventually shrink in size (old people do die) and would have to be consolidated and eventually eliminated, and new ridings would have to be created for those at the bottom who just reached voting age. A computer program could do all this easily. Don’t even need AI (ae-eye).
The members of each single riding would share one characteristic; their age. In the current system, they also share one characteristic; their geographic location. There would be ‘neighbouring’ age districts just as there are currently neighbouring geographic districts.
This would make gerrymandering impossible. It might well turn out that some age-ridings always voted Liberal or Democrat or whatever, but that is itself not a problem. The problem lies in parties being able to manipulate the boundaries of ridings so that their party always wins. And, the voting pattern of any given age district might well change significantly as the district aged.
The biggest problem I see would be in representatives being able to meet with their constituents, both during the campaign and while in office, because their constituents would be scattered all across the country. That could be done on Zoom, of course, but I hate doing things on Zoom. And, organizing a district association of Republicans, say, would be a nightmare.
So, it’s not perfect, for sure, but neither is our current system. Sadly, AGBI would not by itself eliminate the problems caused by party leaders selecting candidates. That would require party members to change their own rules. Fat chance, I know.
My point in introducing AGBI to my students back in the day was to get them to think about how representative democracy really works (few of them did, but a guy’s gotta try).
One can imagine other ways of organizing ridings, of course. Ethnic background is one, but the problem with that is that it is hard to determine (see my post on ‘Pretendians’). The government knows your date of birth and nothing anyone does can change it.
Income levels, based on the previous year’s income tax return, is another possibility. Harder to do, maybe, but it would have the (to me) valuable effect of allowing only those who file a tax return to vote.
So, readers…..other ideas?
Me, I gotta million of ‘em.











































































